Groups are real tight at about 25 yards. Its a cheap target from walmart but it works for now. Im shooting Beman ICS Hunter 400. These particular ICS Hunter arrow shafts came with viBrake vibration dampening inserts. The group-tightening ViBrake inserts reduce vibration greatly, quickly stabilize arrow flight, and increase accuracy. These are some very strong and well built arrows. I have never used any other arrows because the Beman ICS 400's seem to work well for me.